Point/Counterpoint: Rock & Roll

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, on rock music:

... Rock music seeks release through liberation from the personality and its responsibility ... [it is] among the anarchic ideas of freedom which today [1985] predominate more openly in the West than in the East. But that is precisely why rock music is so completely antithetical to the Christian concept of redemption and freedom, indeed its exact opposite. Hence music of this type must be excluded from the Church on principle, and not merely for aesthetic reasons, or because of restorative crankiness or historical inflexibility.

Chuck Berry, the real King of Rock & Roll, on rock music:

Hail, hail rock'n'roll
Deliver me from the days of old
Long live rock'n'roll
The beat of the drum is loud and bold
Rock rock rock'n'roll
The feelin' is there body and soul

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Paul, I was trying to keep


I was trying to keep it short, but your comment is a valuable addition. In fact, when I read The Republic the very thing I thought about was the liberating power of rock music and how antithetical it is to Plato's philosopher-tyrant system.

The then-Cardinal's remarks

The then-Cardinal's remarks have merit, and he's definitely read his Plato, but one sometimes needs a break from the responsibility of personality. At least I do.

The reason your not getting

The reason your not getting a 'message' from the vapid outpourings of rock musicians is because there is either A. no message or B such a confusing mishmash of ideas that only an idiot belonging to an organized religion could filter out some of the nonsense and confusion and claim it was directly responsible for 'corrupting the youth'. Can you imagine if he listened to NWA? Anyway, the 'message' is confusion or mal-education, believe me. I've worked in this industry for 20 years, produced and recorded over a thousand songs, and i've heard about 14 intelligent words come out of musicians brains. Lots of nice people,though.:smitten:

Ok, I have to know. Am I the

Ok, I have to know. Am I the only person who has never, ever, gotten a single message of any importance whatsoever from rock music? People are always carrying on about this and that terrible message that's coming from rock. Huh? What message? With half the songs I like, I don't even know what all the lyrics are (Sure, I like Tom Petty, but it's only speculation that all his songs are about drugs!). Rock sure isn't liberating me from responsibility, either- I do most of my listening on the job while I'm working. Apparently the nefarious "messages" from pop music have simply passed me by all these years.

I know which side I'm on!

I know which side I'm on!

So where does that leave

So where does that leave Christian hardcore groups like stretch arm strong or christian punk rock groups like MxPx? Will they burn in hell, despite rocking so hard?

Let's hope not!

What is it about rock in

What is it about rock in particular that gives it this escapist character? If it is lyrics, no problem, replace them with churchy lyrics.

"Rock music seeks release

"Rock music seeks release through liberation from the personality and its responsibility."

There are probably defensible reasons for the Church to eschew rock music, but this statement is borderline nonsense.